[TAG] OpenGL hangs my system

[Jay R. Ashworth]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 09:53:14PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Well, yeah, Ben, I actually *am* trying to make the point that "we
> > should have ben told to switch". 
> 
> Er, hold on a second, there.
> 
> Even if nobody told you that nobody'd gotten around to finding Dan
> Wilder's modifications and reimplementing them, you should have noticed
> at some time over the past eight months that none of the things those
> modifications did has, in fact, been happening at linuxgazette.net.  

I should.

> There has been no automatic adding of the querent to a Reply-To header
> at any time in the existence of this domain.  There has been no
> prepended high-profile header text at the top of the message identifying
> the querent.  

So there hasn't.

> It strikes me as exceptionally unobservant for any longtime subscriber
> to not notice either of those things over the better part of a year --
> and then quite odd for such a person to then say "Well, somebody should
> have told me."

You're correct.

> Meanwhile, please do -- if you get nothing else out of this discussion
> -- consider the fact that "using r" in mutt (reply-to-sender) will tend
> as a thread continues to _drop_ the querent, and using reply-to-all
> (generally mapped to "g") doesn't.

At the expense of double copying participants, which is clearly what
Dan's scripting was intended to avoid, as much as anything else.

> The purpose of Dan Wilder's list modifications was to make it difficult
> for participants to drop _either_ the list address nor the querent from
> threads -- and were particularly aimed at the endless supply of clueless 
> technopeasants who pick their MUA's reply-to-sender mode without
> thinking.  Those modifications were A Good Thing for this list's
> mission, and would be handy to have again.

At least we all agree on this -- or I think everyone does; Ben sounded
like he might not have thought it all that important, in passing.

> _Absent_ those, your conviction that reply-to-all somehow will drop the
> querent from threads, and that reply-to-sender doesn't, has managed to 
> state the case exactly backwards.

The latter isn't actually what I was asserting, but I think it's moot
at this point.

> You're welcome.

Thank you.

Cheers,
-- jra
> > What we were *doing* is an uncommon
> > behavior WRT lists, and therefore *any* of us were doing it that way
> > because we were specifically instructed to do so.
> 
> An afterthought:  Leaving aside the fact that the reasons for doing that
> _obviously_ did not apply because Dan's mechanism is _visibly_ not
> present, doing things because you "were specifically instructed to do so" 
> makes a really poor substitute for understanding what you're doing.
> 
> > As, of course, as I've noted to Rick just now, your assertion is only
> > partially correct; the querent will get direct responses, but none of
> > the followups.
> 
> You have it exactly backwards.  And have, at this point, ignored several
> clear and detailed explanations.  Sheesh.
> 
> -- 
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> Rick Moen
> rick at linuxmafia.com  
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