[TAG] A case of copyright violation / plagiarism?
ny at youngman.org.uk
Mon Oct 9 18:24:57 MSD 2006
On or around Monday 09 October 2006 14:20, Benjamin A. Okopnik reorganised a
bunch of electrons to form the message:
> [sigh] Neil, I've been to Washington and breathed the same air as Bush.
> I've also used some of the same words in English that he has used. This
> does not make me responsible for the war in Iraq. By the same token, not
> using any terms that RIAA has used has never been an explicit goal of
> I disagree with their position on intellectual property - and still
> consider plagiarism as theft.
> > In the term "Intellectual Property",
> > property is only an analogy, which gets badly abused. Use of these terms
> > promotes an over simplistic view of the complex legal issues
> > surrounding "Intellectual Property".
> > As I recall, theft is "taking of property with intent to permanently
> > deprive the owner of that property". The author is not being deprived of
> > his IP when it is copied, although in this case he may be deprived of the
> > credit for it.
> Yes - and that credit *IS* the property under discussion. Thus, my
> entire point.
Well if we're talking about credit being taken, theft is not an unreasonable
term, it's just that too many people will read it as "copyright violation is
theft". I only bother making the distinction because people are abusing the
language to get politicians to agree to stupid laws.
> > While the word "theft" makes the point very strongly, it is best avoided
> > in these debates. Could we please avoid such loaded terms as "theft" and
> > "piracy" and stick to "plagiarism" and "copyright violation" please?
> Neil, let me recap the situation: Amit implied that he was ignorant of
> the issue. How, exactly, would you explain plagiarism by using only
"Taking credit for someone else's work is wrong."
Cheating is probably the right word here, if you need a replacement for theft.
I realise that this is hair splitting, but when the head of the RIAA claims
that "watching TV without watching the ads is theft", then it's time to take
a stand on how the word is used. I don't have the exact quote to hand and
may not have it right.
Of course I'm not accusing you of supporting the RIAA and I wouldn't normally
bother with such hair splitting but under current circumstances, I feel
justified in asking, nicely, if we could use other terms, at least if we're
publishing this exchange.
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